02:19:33 Karen: i'm loving those student postings
02:19:49 terryF: You can tell the student-authored posts by the "special" colors and fonts!
02:20:20 Karen: yes, their unique voices coming through
02:20:56 patD: while everybody is here more or less
02:21:10 patD: can I ask a edBlogger2003 question?
02:21:22 AL: shoot
02:21:52 patD: well, i'm thinking that we have enough folks interested to consider some dates
02:22:07 patD: karen reminded me of some folks' nwp obligations.
02:22:18 tellio: anything but the ides of March
02:22:26 patD: carol t says that lots of ncte stuff happens on thurs. fri and sat.
02:22:38 patD: sun is kinda dead so carol
02:23:00 patD: suggested that eB2003 might work out well for nwp and ncte conflicts if
02:23:28 patD: we gathered on sat. @ about 1 PM , went to 5 or 6, did dinner, and then re-gathered on Sun.
02:23:50 patD: breaking at about 1 PM so folks could take quick shuttles to SFO
02:23:56 patD: what think yee's?
02:25:18 Karen: sounds good...and if we have that nailed down now...then folks can work around the edublogging schedule when making other plans :)
02:25:49 tellio: ok
02:26:15 joe l.: yep
02:26:16 terryF: Time for me to go. Have to go check the shortie's math homework!
02:26:20 patD: joe?
02:26:31 patD: seeya' tF
02:26:38 tellio: joe, you lurker you
02:26:39 terryF: Bye now.
02:26:39 patD: thanks for stoppin' by
02:26:54 patD: let us know if you need parlaying with peachtree and nwp
02:26:56 patD: for hosting
02:26:57 joe l.: in and out of room
02:27:34 Karen: I'm going to have to move away from the monitor too...still have some things to get ready for tomorrow
02:27:46 patD: have to share this
02:27:52 AL: buy TerryF
02:27:53 patD: terry and me in tech chat
02:28:00 patD: "viral blogging: proposals in search of a host"
02:28:29 patD: karen - yes you can make a trip to mlk on your way to berkeley
02:28:35 patD: more via email
02:28:52 Karen: great pat...that would be awesome
02:29:24 tellio: viral blogging, I like it, quite.....infectious
02:29:34 Karen: hee haw
02:29:44 patD: (cough.ugh.)
02:30:09 tellio: make you sick. pat?
02:30:48 Karen: night boys....i'll check back later when i sign on for my last email check of the day :)
02:31:08 patD: k - transcript will be on k-u
02:31:13 patD: one there already for tech chat
02:31:14 patD: http://www.bayareawritingproject.org/k12blogWrite/2003/01/26#a95
02:31:44 patD: joe what did you two do on your night off in the apple?
02:31:49 tellio: has joe left? (glad I didnt say luft?)
02:32:16 joe l.: swank nuevo latino food, lots of sangria
02:32:45 patD: luft left, right?
02:33:41 tellio: no, he
02:34:11 tellio: been a long time since I been to the city to party
02:34:30 tellio: had a wonderful friend from
02:34:31 joe l.: me too
02:34:42 tellio: Summerville who used to take me in
02:35:38 tellio: grand time
02:35:40 patD: Summerville? you actually have towns named like that?
02:36:34 tellio: new Jersey does, doesn't it? My budddy was a joisey boy
02:36:43 patD: and what's this about no mules? doesn't w. berry farm down there?
02:37:03 patD: actually I know Somerville
02:37:10 patD: not Summerville
02:37:21 tellio: and I know wendell berry
02:37:28 tellio: and it was somerville
02:37:46 patD: you really know him?
02:37:53 patD: i want to marry his barber
02:37:53 tellio: wendell is a total curmudgeon
02:38:15 tellio: I lived in the same county and went to his farm several times on other bidness
02:38:54 patD: other bidness? he WAS growing WEED! I knew it! how else could you mule farm and pay the mortgage?
02:39:21 tellio: sheep and draft horses
02:39:33 tellio: but his son was definitely into weed
02:39:46 tellio: I know cuz ed mclanahan told me
02:39:57 patD: ed who?
02:40:03 tellio: tucky is a small world
02:40:17 tellio: ever read a book called The Natural Man?
02:40:23 tellio: ed wrote it.
02:40:47 tellio: part of that cabal who worked under stegner at stanford
02:41:45 tellio: Im dropping names I seriously doubt either of them would remember me
02:41:50 patD: I worked under a studebaker in Stamford Connecticut once
02:41:58 patD: near a turnpike exit
02:42:24 patD: I was dropping axles
02:42:46 patD: though I was hard pressed to name them correctly
02:43:02 tellio: the axles of evil?
02:43:25 patD: you remember that sign? loved the demo signs
02:43:35 patD: saw a great sign/bump stick today
02:43:46 patD: "I have a dog. And I vote."
02:44:06 patD: t - you tried a Radio slideshow yet
02:44:10 patD: ?
02:44:15 tellio: very droll
02:44:33 patD: drool
02:44:33 tellio: I want to learn. you anticipated my ?
02:44:50 patD: and a little ruff too
02:44:53 tellio: quite likely drool
02:45:07 tellio: and ralph
02:45:33 tellio: radio slideshow and outliner-how?
02:45:49 patD: I ralphed on my Norton's in sophomore year. again on the connecticut turnpike
02:46:00 patD: coming back from 18 year old drinking age New York
02:46:15 patD: very easy
02:46:24 patD: you want me to post links?
02:46:43 tellio: yeah, I am show bound again tomorrow.
02:46:48 patD: Hey, hey Ralphie! yelled Norton.
02:47:06 patD: show bound? oh - calling sick to watch the soaps?
02:47:11 tellio: show=snow
02:47:37 tellio: snow showers
02:48:24 patD: you're kidding right? you and pam are off again tomorrow?
02:48:39 patD: (i wish albert and joe wouldn't interrupt so much)
02:49:02 tellio: we have over 250 miles of gravel roads in county. Busses no like bad roads
02:49:21 tellio: al and joe are somewhere over da rainbow?
02:49:28 patD: busses? when did that happen? what happened to the sleds?
02:49:35 joe l.: can't type and burp baby at same time
02:49:59 patD: they don't auto burp? isn't there a macro for that?
02:50:13 tellio: and that's not to even mentions the mules
02:50:21 patD: (250 miles of gravel going to...
02:50:24 joe l.: tried alt+burb, didn't work
02:50:28 patD: Cincinnati ...
02:50:39 tellio: put baby on lap and use as mouse pad. thats innovation gentlemen
02:50:43 patD: now that's misappropriation of resources.)
02:50:58 joe l.: t - it worked!
02:50:59 patD: lol! "put baby on lap and use as mouse pad"
02:51:06 tellio: (250 miles of gravel going to... nowhere
02:51:09 patD: name for a parenting blog!
02:51:18 tellio: j my bill is in the mail
02:51:27 AL: LOL
02:51:37 patD: kentucky version of new eng. "you can't get there from here" =
02:51:47 patD: ""no point in going there from here"
02:51:48 tellio: zaCKLY
02:52:01 tellio: sorry caps lock went wonky
02:52:31 patD: should be zacKlY
02:52:59 tellio: I stand corrected, but I sit zackly
02:53:47 patD: so is KY Jelly from...
02:53:56 patD: oh, never mind. memories of youth.
02:53:59 tellio: zackly
02:54:39 tellio: KY Jelly is made from used tires of which we have aplenty
02:55:11 patD: and I have used them to ride where their makers never thought they'd go
02:55:45 tellio: speaking of censorship...
02:55:59 patD: lol!
02:56:01 tellio: nice piece today pat
02:56:16 patD: not yet/
02:56:20 patD: hoping tho
02:56:21 tellio: wait a minute that didn't come out right
02:56:41 patD: I did
02:56:50 patD: i have journals to prove it.
02:57:15 tellio: order in the blog,
02:57:27 patD: lol!
02:57:41 tellio: your sop/dop was fine cain't wait for more
02:58:15 patD: well, you and pam and joe and my teaching partner karenC are the inspiration
02:58:25 patD: fact is that what we are doing right now
02:58:40 patD: is "staff development" or what I prefer
02:58:42 tellio: I think it is.
02:58:47 patD: to call developing professionalism
02:59:15 patD: and these disprutive tech tools should be pushing us to re-consider
02:59:17 patD: SOPs
02:59:20 tellio: we may be the only ones who conceive of ourselves as pros
02:59:33 tellio: but I think of myself as a pro
02:59:49 patD: it's john gatto thiniing - if this tech really were ubiguitous
03:00:00 patD: we could actually realize a world in which
03:00:10 patD: schools were essential a combo
03:00:19 patD: of libraries and Exploratoriums
03:00:42 patD: http://www.exploratorium.edu/
03:00:56 patD: thiniing= thinking
03:01:19 tellio: gatto is one of my heroes
03:01:37 tellio: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/
03:01:45 patD: maybe we should try to go to his upstate NY camp
03:01:52 patD: yeah, know the site
03:02:11 patD: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/retreat/index.htm
03:02:56 patD: terry - what WP did you do your invitational with again?
03:02:58 tellio: if I get any more radicalized I wont be able teach without a Paolo Frere text in one hand and a gun in the other.
03:03:16 patD: I studied with Friere
03:03:20 patD: Freire
03:03:31 tellio: Western Kentucky Unversity
03:03:38 patD: (he said dropping a name and a correct spelling)
03:03:41 tellio: no shit Friere?
03:03:54 tellio: Friere, frere?
03:03:56 joe l.: yeah, no shit?
03:04:05 patD: yeah, he was out here in SF for a two week seminar at Lone Mt.
03:04:10 patD: back in '83
03:04:14 patD: what a sweetie
03:04:27 patD: told me to keep on keeping on and made me feel like
03:04:35 patD: a newbie in the world of morals
03:04:57 AL: He had a strong influence on some sectors of the Catholic church
03:05:10 patD: we spendt about 30 hours in a seminar
03:05:19 patD: 15 of us from community organizations
03:05:41 patD: sitting around a table and just talking about what was going on with various work in SF
03:05:56 patD: we spend several weeks in advance prep-ing for his arrival
03:05:58 AL: strong influence on communidades de base
03:06:19 patD: kind of a yoda type short and sweet and you just wanted to ...
03:06:30 patD: well, ask him to please tell you what to do, please
03:06:38 patD: but he just kept asking pointed questions
03:06:56 tellio: the man raised some serious hell in Brazil
03:06:57 patD: the source, they say, of commidades
03:07:17 patD: communidades
03:07:39 tellio: he is a model for what happens when someone really cares about learning and not so much about schooling
03:08:08 patD: ( t - before I forget tow links about Radio slideshows
03:08:11 patD: http://radio.userland.com/radioAsASlidesEditingTool
03:08:29 patD: the other:
03:08:30 patD: http://radio.userland.com/howToUseTheOutliner
03:08:35 patD: read #2 first
03:08:39 patD: then #1
03:08:45 patD: and then let's talk)
03:08:54 patD: tow = two
03:09:20 AL: school is authentic and contextualized and everything is questioned... radical ..
03:09:38 tellio: thanks pat
03:10:00 tellio: radical, yes I have always liked that word
03:11:11 tellio: this reminds me of another Catholic radical
03:11:18 tellio: Ivan Illich
03:11:21 patD: schillebeck?
03:11:50 tellio: weblogs have always struck me as a "convivial tool" as he puts it
03:11:56 patD: my oldest friend in the world and my high school teacher
03:11:57 AL: gustavo gutierrez, leonardo and clodovis boff ,
03:12:01 patD: studied with him
03:12:11 AL: Ivan and the Mexico exmperiment
03:12:28 AL: bringing in modern psychology into the friary .. radical..
03:12:46 tellio: Illich and Tillich
03:12:57 AL: i think they threw Ivan out for that one
03:13:09 tellio: fraid so.
03:13:17 AL: in Cuernavaca
03:13:34 tellio: his Alamo
03:13:34 AL: there was a radical bishop that was known as the red bishop
03:13:45 AL: who invited him i believe.
03:14:37 patD: t - you know about A's radical Cath past?
03:14:38 joe l.: met gustavo gutierrez when i studied in peru
03:14:41 AL: there is this thread between community, school, religious intsitutions that folks do not want
03:14:45 tellio: what happened to Ivan?
03:14:45 joe l.: my turn to name drop
03:14:47 patD: peru?
03:15:21 AL: i saw him in Texas for a meeting of many liberation theologians.. cAtholic and protestant
03:15:31 joe l.: b.a. spanish/latin american history
03:15:47 joe l.: double major not spanish history
03:15:50 AL: ok
03:16:00 AL: cool
03:16:31 tellio: I heard a cylinder click all the way to KY
03:16:39 AL: saw him in a Mexico City . A surreal event if there ever was one in my life
03:17:04 tellio: why surreal?
03:17:17 AL: progressive catholics and right wing types..
03:17:31 tellio: dangerous brew
03:17:48 AL: A mexican confrer said that the right wingers would;t think twice about killing someone
03:18:14 AL: scary stuff...but we were young
03:18:31 AL: boos and cheers as the debate went on
03:19:13 tellio: Robert's Rules not in effect I take it
03:19:40 AL: kinda but there was this tension in the air
03:20:12 AL: We were young and the majority of us were not Mexican, so we thought a few extra yelps wouldn't hurt
03:20:39 tellio: Yes, it's all coming out.
03:20:51 AL: the grad student seminarians were more than half visiting students doing a practicum in Mexico
03:20:56 tellio: yelps were they?
03:21:31 tellio: you a seminarian?
03:21:47 AL: We were getting a lot of extra emotional baggage out. our superiors were Spanish in Mexico
03:21:52 AL: Was
03:22:38 tellio: Huge early influence was Thomas Merton.
03:22:53 AL: Oh yeah
03:22:56 patD: who wrote such bad poetry
03:23:01 tellio: stop by the Abbey at Gesthemane occasionally
03:23:04 AL: Universal person
03:23:22 tellio: yeah, Geography of Lograire. gag
03:23:41 tellio: Barn Burning is a fine work though
03:24:00 AL: He was the first fella that seemed human...
03:24:18 patD: christ-
03:24:21 patD: blogTholics
03:24:34 patD: we'll be recovering repressed
03:24:40 tellio: poster boy for the Cistercians
03:24:43 patD: xml abuse soon
03:24:50 AL: merton made one think beyond catholicism
03:25:31 tellio: the cloud of unknowing branch of Catholicism
03:25:41 tellio: is that even Catholic
03:25:56 tellio: I dont practice anymore.
03:26:19 tellio: it's too much fun watching the Baptists here in KY
03:26:33 AL: I just started going back
03:26:58 patD: practicing catholics aren't the problem. it's the professionals that drive the world crazy
03:27:08 AL: Good catholic missionary priest from Wisconsin came in...
03:27:11 AL: Yes
03:27:22 tellio: we have a church here called "Our Lady of the Caves"
03:27:35 AL: the hierarchy stuff is just ...
03:27:48 tellio: nutz?
03:28:53 tellio: I was listening to an AM station this P.M.
03:29:10 tellio: trying to see if school was on
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03:29:25 tellio: and I picked up wildass local minister
03:29:37 tellio: who told his radio audience
03:29:39 pam: hey, terry, al
03:29:53 tellio: that we are all atheists. hey pam
03:29:56 patD: (pam - welcome back)
03:30:07 tellio: until we know Jeeeesus
03:30:26 tellio: just thought Id share that.
03:30:30 AL: oh yeah.. that is some wild stuff
03:30:58 pam: hey, pat...any more thinking on the pipedream?
03:31:17 pam: i've been thinking a lot about it this weekend
03:31:18 AL: best church was in New Orleans that had a chorus that rocked.
03:31:24 tellio: It helps in my drama class because I have this built in base of speaking and call and response
03:31:33 patD: you mean the one from last trip to amsterdam?
03:31:35 AL: Do I have a witness. and it was catholic
03:31:48 tellio: You should hear some of our monologues
03:32:36 pam: ummm...i'm talking about the WP
03:32:52 pam: r we talking religion tonight?
03:32:53 tellio: pipedream? blogging partners?
03:33:07 patD: the sop vs. dop icece
03:33:23 pam: yes, that pipedream...SOP vs DOP
03:33:35 patD: postioning and thinking in advance of our chicago nwp Design Team retreat
03:33:58 joe l.: who's there from nyc?
03:34:04 patD: relifion for these two is always in the background
03:34:15 patD: there?
03:34:16 pam: i was just thinking about how incredible really it could be
03:34:23 patD: oh - d team?
03:34:40 joe l.: at retreat? will be there
03:34:44 patD: no one. like bawp, nycwp is slightly aloof tho
03:34:56 patD: nycwp is much better connected
03:35:12 patD: but!!!!
03:35:22 patD: very good idea under that Joe
03:35:34 patD: Al - why not as the AFSC
03:35:37 patD: used to say
03:35:43 patD: "devolve" the blogTeam?
03:35:55 patD: separate it out of D team oversight and control
03:36:05 patD: and just let it work as a network under D Team
03:36:11 patD: so that we could for examp
03:36:23 patD: include Joe via Paul
03:36:30 patD: hey! this rocks
03:36:38 joe l.: nycwp/paul just asked me to do 2 blog wrkshops in feb/march
03:36:48 patD: it's the way around the "did you go to an invitational?" problem
03:36:59 patD: Paul simply anoints Joe
03:37:32 patD: seeeee - paul has already anointed him.
03:37:45 joe l.: i'm in weird spot at these nycwp mtgs
03:37:51 joe l.: i'm invited geek but not tc so
03:37:54 patD: see the prob here is that even good tc's are
03:37:59 patD: like most classroom teachers
03:38:03 joe l.: not sure where i stand sometimes
03:38:03 patD: slow to adopt new tech
03:38:37 patD: so I'm arguing in sop vs. dop that our base of practiioners has to (judiciously) expand to include early blog / disruptive tech adopters
03:38:49 tellio: (lurking)
03:38:53 patD: even if they are not anointed WP teacher consultants
03:39:03 joe l.: few-no early adopters within nycwp
03:39:12 joe l.: see lame nycwp-tech leaders blog
03:39:22 joe l.: http://www.myclasssite.org/blog
03:39:36 joe l.: not even "tech leaders" post
03:39:42 patD: have seen - obviously a paul creation
03:39:44 joe l.: got an email from one asking how blog
03:39:46 patD: great design
03:39:48 AL: we have to network beyond wp... work toward that...
03:39:51 joe l.: is different from nicenet
03:39:52 patD: no content bec. no adopters
03:40:21 patD: al I agree in some way "beyond nwp" but I also think
03:40:32 patD: that nwp is not a bad starting point
03:40:33 pam: (lurking with terry)
03:40:37 patD: bec. it has money and clout
03:40:46 AL: Oh sure..
03:41:13 patD: (terry should not lurk - he is tc so can commandeer some of the resources and support that I have to finnagle for the rest of you)
03:41:20 AL: but collaborating with non TC is vital
03:41:37 patD: yes, so what we are really about terry and al
03:41:47 patD: in the nwp involvement here
03:41:55 patD: is in revitalizing nwp
03:41:59 AL: who are working in blogs and and other disrutptive tech
03:42:03 patD: network in the digital age
03:42:20 AL: a network ...
03:42:23 AL: yes
03:42:47 patD: see, the nwp network is un-alive until it incorporates the blog early adopters and other disrup tech types like pam and joe
03:43:13 patD: i'm fine with attempting to get nwp to recognize the opportunity here
03:43:16 tellio: I gots no connection with NWP, but good relations with local WKU wp
03:43:33 patD: tho i admit that i expect it will in the end decline our invite
03:43:46 patD: but while it deliberates we might be able to steal some money
03:44:00 patD: and hosting and support via stipends for tc's who help us out
03:44:22 patD: t - good wku connects mean good nwp connects.
03:44:38 patD: tho you're phrasing it that way is evidence of what the problem with nwp is!
03:44:49 tellio: I am still confused by how the money flows.
03:45:05 tellio: I see grants on local site
03:45:11 tellio: I am writing one now
03:45:21 tellio: but what is my connection
03:45:28 tellio: I am dense here
03:45:29 AL: in very few hands the black art of budgets in education and non-profits
03:45:35 patD: t - everyone is so confused bec. it's basically four people who decide how to spend
03:45:44 patD: - get this now folks -
03:45:57 patD: the 13 million that they get every year
03:46:33 tellio: I spilled a lot digital ink in that fucking money fight with congress last yar
03:46:49 patD: i won't even rant about the first class seating that the associate director and her consultant team sat in on the way back from atlanta
03:46:52 patD: whoops
03:46:57 patD: i did rant
03:47:17 tellio: rant on i am an inquiring mind and
03:47:23 tellio: I wanna know
03:47:40 patD: pam and joe - you hangin' in?
03:47:44 AL: the dinners are not bad either
03:48:03 joe l.: burpin again
03:48:08 pam: Pat, I'm listening. I'm trying to learn about all of this
03:49:23 tellio: carry on oh wayward son
03:49:52 patD: ok, so they have this money
03:49:59 patD: and like any bureaucracy
03:50:11 patD: they are interested primarily in looking good enough
03:50:15 AL: gatekeepers
03:50:21 patD: to continue to receive this money
03:50:31 patD: but NOTE PLEASE
03:50:49 patD: this nwp netowrk had no fed money until four years ago
03:51:00 patD: and in its first 15 years ( it is now
03:51:05 patD: almost 27)
03:51:14 patD: had no money whatsoever
03:51:39 patD: it was simply a network of folks who ascribed [sic} to shared notions and values
03:51:53 tellio: true grassrootspower
03:52:05 patD: around the theme of "writing as a (NOT 'the') process"
03:52:15 patD: and "teachers teaching teachers"
03:52:23 patD: then they got a new director
03:52:28 patD: and a new big budget
03:52:40 patD: example of the consequence:
03:53:00 patD: when al and I and K at a Design team mtg. suggested about a year ago
03:53:23 patD: that whatever portal nwp built for its organizational and network purposes
03:53:38 patD: that same portal should be portable to and usable by
03:53:49 patD: local sites and local TCs in their classrooms
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03:54:07 patD: the two staff paid to develop and deploy that portal
03:54:15 patD: said with slight outrage:
03:54:37 patD: 'We don't think that the portal should be portable to classrooms. Why would you ever want theyat?"
03:54:45 patD: Albert - am I exaggerating?
03:55:17 AL: You are right
03:55:42 tellio: lazy tech attitude might be reflected in their aptitude
03:55:59 patD: [i always lose albert just before I call on him to testify - imagine john the blogTist hearing that Jesus just went out to pee]
03:56:30 tellio: al = silent bob?
03:56:52 patD: yeah, t - that's right on, but remember that these suckers pull down 60K+ a year to have an apptitude
03:57:16 patD: and have never seen the inside of a clasroom
03:57:55 patD: which admission I smoothly extracted from the over a high priced dinner in berkeley two years ago
03:58:21 AL: so they have no clue
03:58:27 pam: the main missing component in tech implementation
03:58:42 patD: so you T and pam and joe are at the core of what we are trying to do digitally with the nwp blog network
03:58:55 pam: is that the support are rarely teachers or have been teachers
03:59:20 patD: not that we expect that they will embrace us. but they might try to buy us off. and even if they don't
03:59:44 patD: by straining against their obstinate sop constraints we get to define our own aims
03:59:58 patD: kind of like Wendell Berry's piece Form in Poetry and Marriage
04:00:19 tellio: You must come off as so principled that you can't be bought off
04:00:54 patD: oh no - i'm too old for principles. I'll get bought off if I get to hold the deed to the property.
04:01:08 patD: if we get carte blanche for isp hosting for a blog network
04:01:21 patD: i'll nod and stop shouting at d team meetings.
04:01:35 tellio: ala curry and peter in Europe only fast?
04:01:44 tellio: and uptodate?
04:02:03 patD: yeah, and freee. did you ever read the exchange between adam and I about future pricing?
04:02:26 tellio: no
04:02:37 AL: to schoolblogs
04:02:38 patD: that boy thinks of making money like any capitalist should
04:02:39 tellio: how much?
04:02:46 patD: so does kern county, btw
04:03:01 patD: but not at his level
04:03:24 patD: he kept saying "reasonable fees" without ever naming a price
04:03:31 patD: but any price is unreasonable
04:03:48 patD: when we have so many still exiting commons' organizations
04:04:02 patD: that have the infrastructure and wherewithall to host us all for free
04:04:13 tellio: agreed. dammit its paper
04:04:16 patD: fuck - my shcool server itslef could host all our kids given the right
04:04:22 patD: kind of tech support
04:04:24 tellio: without tree killage
04:04:31 patD: YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:04:37 patD: it's digital paper
04:05:15 tellio: caveat: beware the metaphor it has jaws the bite and teeth that
04:05:25 AL: joined (66.87.101.109 cpe-66-87-101-109.il.sprintbbd.net Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.22; Mac_PowerPC) http://www.blogchat.com/blogchat/allstatus.php)
04:06:01 patD: what's the caveat with "digital paper" metaphor?
04:06:26 tellio: I think weblogs are more than digital paper
04:06:48 tellio: they are new ways of thinking with digital paper
04:07:12 tellio: and they are disposable yes, but do we want to tie
04:07:37 tellio: so important an idea to paper--disposable
04:07:55 patD: music is ephemeral
04:08:04 tellio: I love the metaphor, but the map ain't necessarily the territory
04:08:14 patD: maybel blogs are instruments
04:08:38 tellio: that become orchestras or quartets
04:08:43 pam: they are instruments....that can cross many barriers
04:09:05 patD: they play diffent kinds of music
04:09:09 patD: some of it inspires
04:09:12 pam: pat, did you see my school pics?
04:09:12 patD: informs
04:09:16 patD: entertains
04:09:30 pam: the children of my school do not have any understanding
04:09:31 tellio: digital sheet music?
04:09:32 patD: yes, pam
04:09:35 patD: poor cows
04:09:41 patD: you should put them on your blog
04:09:44 pam: of the children that attend your school or joes
04:10:05 tellio: on man, testify oh rural one
04:10:18 pam: blogs are the answer...more than anything a teacher can say
04:10:40 patD: yeah
04:10:46 patD: rap meets country
04:10:50 patD: classical
04:10:52 pam: think what a blog could do
04:10:53 patD: meets rock
04:10:53 tellio: poor cows?
04:11:05 patD: cows in ohio
04:11:08 tellio: meets bluegrass
04:11:11 patD: freeze during the winter
04:11:12 pam: all this shit that they spend tons of money trying to fix and they only fuck it up worse
04:11:36 tellio: I used to work on dairies
04:11:38 patD: and are often treated like the meat section of a safeway freezer dept.
04:11:53 patD: people just walk the fields with chainsaws
04:13:08 tellio: and they......
04:13:22 pam: pat, i'll have to snap a pic of the cows just for u
04:13:35 pam: i'll place it in my blog
04:15:40 patD: well, t...
04:15:50 tellio: yup
04:16:02 patD: home is the sailor home from the sea
04:16:13 patD: and the hunter home from..,
04:16:37 tellio: home is the sheep come back to the fold
04:16:46 tellio: i raise a few sheep
04:16:59 tellio: it's prolly lamb check time
04:17:02 AL: Well folks.. i have to get ready for tomorrow.. wishing all a good week.
04:17:27 tellio: sameatcha, al you ol catholic worker you
04:17:28 patD: me too. night al
04:17:32 pam: good week to you too, al...i've got an early morning meeting with the superintendent
04:17:36 joe l.: me too, hours of proctoring state english exams
04:17:59 tellio: god bless the proctors and the proctorologists
04:18:03 pam: night, guys..
04:18:04 patD: man, all i have to do is install 55 operating systmes
04:18:24 patD: chat transcript
04:18:33 tellio: you need 55 little kids who want to learn something new
04:18:39 patD: will be on k-u blogWrite which is on
04:18:42 patD: left nav bar
04:18:47 tellio: and will work for Jolly Ranchers
04:18:47 pam: have fun pat....i'm working on getting some...maybe soon
04:18:57 tellio: night all
04:19:06 joe l.: night